Eva/大巨蛋停工的真相是什麼??大巨蛋停工的理由又何在??

連設計師都氣到跳出說明大巨蛋設計到施工安全絕無慮!!北市府與遠雄大巨蛋纏鬥一年多,大巨蛋停工至今,大巨蛋設計公司POPULOUS資深總裁Andrew James錄製短片為公安釋疑;影片中Andrew批北市府要求停工理由是「鬼扯」(bullshit),更批評大巨蛋「不該淪為政治工具」。

影片完整長度約有14分鐘,小編特別把影片中提到觀點做總匯整大巨蛋的真相懶人包,讓你可以快速解析了解大巨蛋的真相-設計師解析設計到施工安全無慮!!

大巨蛋的真相懶人包8大觀點

  • 世界趨勢觀點
  • 世界趨勢-球場+商場+停車場共構
  • 設計四萬觀眾席是否安全?
  • POPULOUS設計的大巨蛋是否安全?
  • 北市府14萬人模擬部分的看法與安全標準
  • 為什麼要建多功能體育館?
  • 大巨蛋設計與考量
  • 經濟發展 創造多元工作機會

市府請別在把大巨蛋停工當成理所當然,快來出面對!!在這之前先跟大家分享此影片中的設計師,只能說太強啦~什麼?!台北小巨蛋也出自Andrew James之手,如果台北大巨蛋不符合安全標準,那小巨蛋是否也要一併被討論?但小巨蛋現在很好,至少到目前為止都正常~這個設計師看來真的滿厲害的~

大巨蛋設計師介紹-Andrew James

大巨蛋設計師介紹

My name is Andrew James. I’m a director of populist architects. We are a global sports design architecture company populist have been working for 30 years around the world, and we have completed over 2,000 major international sports projects. In the year 2001, I was working for HOK Sport which is now POPULOUS, and we were commissioned by the Taipei city government to do a land use planning study for the Songshan tobacco factory site to determine whether or not it was feasible to fit a forty thousand seat indoor baseball stadium on the site.

我叫安德魯.詹姆斯,是POPULOUS建築事務所主管,在世界各地設計運動場館。本公司全球營運至今三十年,已完成二千件國際大型運動場館計畫。2001年,我當時在HOK Sport公司任職,也是POPULOUS的前身,接受臺北市政府委託進行松山菸廠土地使用評估,判斷是否適合興建容納四萬人的室內棒球場。

 

設計師談大巨蛋世界趨勢觀點

設計師談大巨蛋世界趨勢觀點

When it comes to sports facilities and educated in Australia. Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, all of their newest sports facilities are situated right in the center of the city in the 1960s, 1970s stray UK, America all built large stadiums outside the city. Now, they are wastelands white pelicans. They considered a complete waste of money.

說到運動場館,我過去在澳洲求學,雪梨、墨爾本、布里斯本最新建運動場館,全都位於市中心。在六零與七零年代的澳洲、英國、美國運動場館都在市區外,如今皆成巨大的蚊子館無用建築,遭人質疑浪費錢。  

And there are some 10-15 stadiums that have been built for 2002 World Cups. Those stadiums are now all empty disused. They just sit there like sad of tombstones in the urban fabric oh Korea. And now, the Koreans coming to us and saying what do we do about all these empty stadiums. We should put retail with these empty stadiums to make them come alive. So, they went through the process of designing a stadium not connected. And now, they realize that’s wrong. To make precinct or an area come alive, you need retail, you only have to look at the streets of Taipei to see that the areas that are alive at night actually the shops. We don’t want this stadium to die. We connected to shops it says alive twenty-four seven instead of just on Saturday night.

韓國為了2002年世足賽興建十至十五座場館,如今都閒置無用,如同都市紋理中冷靜寂寞的墓碑。韓國如今向我求助,希望活化運用這些閒置場館,而我們要藉由商場,為運動場館注入活力。韓國曾設計無商場的運動場館,如今才明白並不適合,零售商業設施才能讓一個地區復甦。臺北街頭就是如此,夜晚熱鬧的區域都商店林立,我們不希望場館死氣沉沉,連結商場後才能天天興盛,而非只有週末熱鬧。  

Way to build new social infrastructure facilities is as close to the city center as possible. What a great bonus the Taipei Dome.

所以現在我們(全球)要興建新的社會基礎建設,必須盡可能接近市中心。而大巨蛋正坐擁這項優勢。

 

大巨蛋世界趨勢-球場+商場+停車場共構

大巨蛋世界趨勢-球場+商場+停車場共構

They’ve also been a few questions asked about the integration of a sport facility early with things like retail, car park. As you know, we have a real 4 level car park actually underneath the stadium itself and its connected directly to major retail mall. First thing I want to say is, actually the modern trend if you look at all the modern major sports facilities, they’re all connected to a major retail facilities and they’re all connected to come back in this well. The Etihad Stadium in Melbourne has 2 levels of car park directly underneath the sports fields, just like the Taipei Dome. It’s been there for 15 years. It’s very safe. Car parks under sports field there’s nothing wrong with that. Concrete is a very safe and fireproof material. We don’t have any problems with that. In fact, we encourage it and we also encourage the connections of the sports facility for the retail facility.

有些人質疑為何運動場館與商場及停車場共構,我們(大巨蛋)在球場下設有三、四層的停車場,直接與商場相連,這是世界趨勢。世界各地大型運動場館皆與大型商場相連,也設有停車場。墨爾本的阿提哈德體育館地下也有兩層停車場(2500個停車位),與大巨蛋設計相同,營運至今十五年,非常安全。停車場設在運動場下方沒什麼不對,混凝土既安全又防火,不需要擔心,我們也主張結合運動場與商場。

 

大巨蛋設計四萬觀眾席是否安全?

POPULOUS設計的大巨蛋是否安全?

But for safety reasons for 2006 is fine depends why they’re saying it. If they’re saying it’s too many seats for an event like not that many people will come. That’s possible. But if he saying it’s true, many seats because of safety reasons. Well, that’s not correct. Its already been tested. It doesn’t mean you shouldn’t built them that’s the real answer. Any just bullshit!

以安全而言,四萬個座位並無問題,一切取決於他們為何有此疑問,如果他們認為活動不需要這麼多座位,沒那麼多人會進場,這的確有機會可能。但外界若認為,座位太多有安全疑慮,這種說法就不正確,我們已測試過。各位不需為此停工,這才是該進行的方向。其餘都是胡言!

 

POPULOUS設計的大巨蛋是否安全?

大巨蛋設計四萬觀眾席是否安全?

They’ve been quite a number of questions raised about the safety standards of the Taipei Dome whether or not it complies with the Green Guide, whether or not people can egress exit from the site in time, whether or not the roof is stable. I just want to tell you that POPULOUS have completed 2000 international sport projects over 30 year. Our reputation tests upon our ability to design projects. If just one project of our projects out of 2008, just one has a problem with safety, I whole companies out of business.

不少人質疑大巨蛋的安全標準,是否符合運動場館安全指南,民眾能否及時從基地逃生、屋頂是否穩定等。我想強調,POPULOUS在過去三十年間已完成逾兩千項運動設施計畫,我們也以建案安全的聲譽著稱。如果有任何一件案子出問題,只要任何一件有任何安全疑慮,公司就要關門。  

I just want to assure everybody that we don’t design… if we do, our business is over. And yet, we are by far the most experienced spot team in the world. We have experience of this than anybody. We go through and extensive design review process after we designed the concept of the building. We bring specialized resources engineering consultant for the roof. We bring in what we call pedestrian modeling consultant. They test the flow of people, they simulate that according to real life experiences. So, not only do we already designed buildings can get a life that is our job, but we still ask other specialized consultants to design, to ensure that it is correct. Go through next extensive review and testing process, and always safety is the number one consideration more important than everything else.

我向各位保證,我們的設計很安全,否則公司早就倒了。我們是當今全球經驗最豐富的運動場館建築公司,經驗遠勝過其他單位,我們的設計驗證流程很完整。概念設計完成後,邀請專業顧問公司評估,例如屋頂結構工程顧問,也包括行人動線模擬顧問,他們測試人流,並依據真實情況模擬。我們不僅是依過去豐富經驗讓建案成功,因為這本來就是我們的職責,設計也再經過其他專業顧問驗證,以保證一切正確無誤。一再經過詳盡評估與測試,始終以安全為先,比任何其他因素更重要。

 

北市府14萬人模擬大巨蛋部分的看法與安全標準

北市府14萬人模擬大巨蛋部分的看法與安全標準

I can’t to be political. I’ve heard that there have been a number of computer simulated emergency egress calculations and videos made recently. Can I just tell you one thing computers are only as good as the information that you put into them. If the information you put in it is wrong, the computer simulations is wrong. If the information you put in his artificial, the computer simulation is out artificial. I’ve heard there is one simulation where people are allowed to leave the building, but they’re not allowed to leave the site. Now, that’s an artificial thing to do. Can you imagine somebody standing on the footpath while the building is burning next to them? It’s ridiculous.

我不想涉入政治,但是我聽說有幾項電腦模擬資料,最近也有(大巨蛋)緊急疏散模擬影片。我認為,電腦模擬結果好壞取決於原始資料優劣,若原始資料錯誤,電腦模擬也會錯。若資料經過人為操作,模擬也會是操作結果。我聽說在(北市府)其中一項模擬裡,民眾可離開建築物,但不能離開基地,這明顯並非常理,誰會站在失火的建築物旁邊不動?聽來就很荒謬!

So, the computer program for simulation is only as good as the person controlling it. If you want it to work in a realistic manner, you have to trade in a realistic way. It shouldn’t be used as a political tool. Originally, designed at the Taipei Dome to comply with international safety standards for egress. One of the things that we did was we followed the Green Guide safety standards at sports ground, that was developed un the UK and actually it’s people from our company senior staff from POPULOUS that helped write that documents. So, we know very well, so the original design that we go to the logo was designed to local architects in Taipei was designed to comply with international safety standards. Following that, there was a local review of building standards and the state cases that we put in what actually increased in size. So, many of those cases actually larger than what is required for international safety. So that, they comply with local sake.

電腦模擬都是人為控制下的結果,若要瞭解真實情況,就得考量真實環境,不該淪為政治工具。大巨蛋原始設計是為符合國際安全規範,我們依循運動場館的運動場館安全指南,這套方案在英國訂定,本公司資深人員也協助編著,因此我們很熟悉內容。我們提供本地建築師的原始設計裡,也符合國際安全標準,後來經過本地法規審查,樓梯還因此加寬,許多樓梯寬度大於國際要求,以符合台灣建築審查要求。

為什麼要建大巨蛋多功能體育館?

 為什麼要建大巨蛋多功能體育館?

The Taipei Dome is right in the center of the city. It’s a really big plus for any major piece of infrastructure. People don’t have to drive an hour outside the city and get caught in traffic jams. You don’t have to build a new train line. You don’t have to build 10,000 new car parks, because in the center of the city is already done. All that infrastructure there are 2 MRT lines actually passing the site of the Taipei Dome, and connects directly to both of us. So, we don’t have to build any new train lines. It’s already that.

大巨蛋座落於市中心,對任何大型基礎建設都是一大優點,民眾不需開車一小時,免除塞車之苦,不必再興建交通路線,也不必增設上萬個停車位,因為在市中心,基礎建設都已完備。大巨蛋周邊將有兩條捷運線,也直接連結至捷運站,無需增加捷運,原本就存在。  

There are thousands of car parks and all the office buildings surroundings the Taipei Dome. And there are tens of thousands pf people that work within a 10 or 15 minutes walk. So, the beauty of its location is people can walk there after work, and what you show. Infrastructure is already in place, and this is very much the modern trend globally. If you look at the Yankees baseball museum downtown New York, you look at the O2 Arena in London, the most successful international arena in the world right now, and till the Taipei Dome gets bill. If you look at that, it’s also right in the center of the city and connected to the MRT. This is modern trend.

四周辦公大樓擁有數千個停車位,步行十至十五分鐘範圍內,有數萬人在此就業,民眾下班後就可步行至場館欣賞表演,使用既有基礎建設即可。這與世界現代趨勢吻合。洋基棒球場位於紐約市中心,倫敦O2體育館是目前全球最成功的娛樂場址,未來臺北大巨蛋也會成功,他們都在市中心,也與地鐵相連,這就是現代趨勢。

大巨蛋設計與考量

大巨蛋設計與考量

There were many important design considerations throughout the whole 6 year process of the design of the Dome. The first one was the land use planning study determined that we can actually get fit 40,000 seats stadium on the site. So, it had to fit. Secondly, it had to be safe. We had to ensure that it was going to be a safe development. Thirdly, its opposite, the Sun Yat-Sen Memorial Hall. This is a very important philosophical consideration about iconic buildings in a city. It’s very big, bigger than the Sun Yat-Sen Memorial Hall. We wanted to keep the overall size of the. It could have actually been 20 meters higher and then it would have, I fell it would have been too large to massive as part of the street. It’s a very large building, so we push the building down. The playing field is around 12 or 15 meters lower than the street, so the whole bulk or massive size can actually reduce. And if you look at it now on the street, you can see the shell taking place. You see how big it is, but if you look down on the street, it’s not too officially aggressive or egotistical.

六年設計期間有許多重要考量。首先土地使用評估後,判斷可興建四萬人場館。其次是安全,確保開發案符合安全。第三,巨蛋位在國父紀念館旁,這是很重要的無形設計概念及考量,大巨蛋是城市重要地標,規模很宏偉,(量體)大於國父紀念館。們希望量體能盡量縮小,原始設計可以再加高二十公尺,但我覺得對街道壓迫感太大,這棟建築很大,所以我們降低高度,球場比路面低12至15公尺(目前為10.5公尺)。讓大巨蛋體積看來沒那麼大,現在若從街上看,看得到大巨蛋的圓頂,也看得出多麼巨大。但如果順著街道看,(圓弧形)建築的視覺侵略性比較低,不會顯得太自大或孤傲。  

The idea that we wanted is to have as low-key as possible. And I think it could say chief that even better than we expect. Look at the actual shape of that don’t many times. They were ones with a slight circular almost like a ball or globe. You’ll see that this one is quite low and quite flat on the top. Outline spent quite a lot of extra money to make it like that. As global, it’s more efficient structure. So, flattening it actually costs a client money, but they understood the value of keeping its profile, keeping its elevation down a little bit. So that, it pay respect to the Sun Yat-Sen Memorial Hall across the road, and we don’t make it looks like animals or turtle or shells anything like that. We came up with the design of that Dome, because we wanted it to be its such a large building. And we were very conscious of the Sun Yat-Sen Memorial Hall across the road.

我們希望能盡量低調,目前成果甚至比預期更好。我們也多次考慮圓頂形狀,一度想設計成圓球狀,現有設計頂部相對平坦,是建商花了不少額外經費達成這種效果,圓球形建築施工其實較簡單,平頂設計反倒增加費用,但他們瞭解降低高度的價值,藉此尊重對街的國父紀念館。我們(在外觀上)並沒有模仿動物、烏龜或貝殼造型,我們在設計大巨蛋時,因為規模如此大,我們也重視對街的國父紀念館,希望盡量降低衝擊。若順著街道看,幾乎見不到大巨蛋,若站在對街看,我們也盡量降低高度,展現對國父紀念館的尊重,也盡可能融入週遭環境。造型並非天馬行空或像安全帽、烏龜,也並不像滑鼠,這不是我們設計的原則。而是依實際需求設計,那才是主要考量。 

大巨蛋經濟發展 創造多元工作機會

大巨蛋經濟發展 創造多元工作機會

He knew that to attract the best talent, young talent worldwide, you had to have a city, that was also exciting where creative activities could take place. Young people want more than jobs, they want to feeling involve, they want to feel excited, they want to go to events, important and exciting sport event. See the world’s best entertainers, and they want to be able to tell their friends about it. Take pictures of the event that they were attending, and put it on Facebook and to attract the best international events, sporting events, and entertainment events. City needs a best international facility, it needs a right facility, where those types of events can take place, where the Yankees baseball team can come and play a game. City needs to feel proud of the types of building and it shows off the world.

為了吸引全球最佳年輕人才,城市必須生氣勃勃,讓創意揮灑,年輕人不只想要就業機會,更想參與城市、充滿期待、參加活動,尤其是運動或娛樂界的盛事,也想與他人分享。可以拍攝活動照片,貼在臉書上,為吸引國際頂級運動及娛樂表演,城市需要最佳設施,要有合適的場館滿足多元活動,例如洋基隊能在此比賽,城市應該很自豪地呈現這些建築。  

  以擁有大巨蛋而驕傲

大巨蛋停工爭議至今已9個月,到現在還是沒有什麼結論‧‧‧‧,大巨蛋的真相到底是什麼??

台北大巨蛋停工爭議至今,始終沒有給台灣民眾一個交代,如果是安檢問題,那麼解決行動在哪裡?大巨蛋設計師Andrew James把台北大巨蛋的決議、設計、製作的來龍去脈過程說清楚講明白,現在就只等台北市政府把安檢報告解釋清楚,哪來的不合格?都發局應付的那種不算!(跺腳)請清楚地還我們大巨蛋的真相,交代大巨蛋停工的理由跟真正原因!  

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